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Elon Musk on DOGE, AI, & Are we in a Simulation? | KMP Ep.18

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In this episode, I sit down with @elonmusk for a wide-ranging conversation on DOGE, AI, simulation theory, and much more. 0:00 — Introduction 1:13 — How DOGE Began 2:22 — Has DOGE Been Successful? 3:51 — Would Elon Do DOGE Again? 5:40 — Importing Illegal Immigrants 7:00 — Thoughts on Ilhan Omar 7:56 — AI and Robots Replacing Jobs 9:59 — Elon’s Biggest Irrational Fear 10:17 — Average Hours of Sleep per Night 10:52 — A Day in Elon’s Life 11:55 — Funniest Person Elon Knows 12:37 — Believing in God 12:56 — Last Time Elon Was in the General Public 13:25 — Charlie Kirk Assassination Attempt 13:44 — One Moment Elon Wishes He Could Relive 14:05 — Projects in the Pipeline 15:24 — Evolutionary Hall of Fame 16:27 — Humans Becoming Multi-Planetary 19:00 — Why Fashion Needs to Evolve 21:02 — A Believable Conspiracy Theory 22:58 — Biggest Misconception About Elon 24:26 — The Idea Behind Starbase 26:07 — Visiting Disney More Than 10 Times 26:59 — Elon’s Favorite Age to Parent 27:07 — Is Humanity Inherently Good? 28:53 — One Invention That Has Made Humanity Worse 29:56 — Simulation Theory 31:57 — Is Social Media Making People More Performative? 32:51 — X’s Country-of-Origin Feature 33:48 — Rapid-Fire “Would You Rather” 43:35 — TV Show Elon Is Currently Watching 44:41 — Elon’s Top Motivational Song 44:58 — Read the Instructions or Wing It? 45:09 — Starting From Scratch With $1,000 47:30 — A Random Job Elon Would Enjoy 47:55 — Daily Diet and Favorite Food 50:54 — One Emoji to Describe Elon 51:09 — Dream Dinner Party Guests

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I think the story of Doge from your
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[music] perspective has never been told.
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Do you think you were successful?
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>> We're a little a little bit successful.
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We were somewhat successful.
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>> Would you ever do Doge again?
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>> Um I mean, no. I don't think so.
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I think instead of doing Doge, I would have basically
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built, you know, worked on my companies essentially…
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[music] built…
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and not — and the cars would — they wouldn't have been running the cars.
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>> What's your biggest irrational fear?
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>> I try not to have irrational fears.
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[music] None. If I find an irrational fear, I squelch it.
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If you had to start from scratch today with only $1,000…
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>> Well, I did originally come to North America with like 2500 bucks…
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2500 Canadian, maybe two grand US.
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At this point, I have a lot of knowledge.
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A lot of things have to go wrong for that to be the case.
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It's like, am I just emerging from prison perhaps with a stipend?
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Hi everyone and welcome to this week's episode…
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We are in Texas today joined by Elon Musk.
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>> Nice to see you again Katie.
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>> Nice to see you Elon.
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So I want to take us back. It's January 20th…
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You’re getting sworn in, they hand you a computer and a phone.
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I want to go back to what happened next.
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The story of Doge from your perspective has never been told.
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What was your first thought on how Doge was going to proceed?
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>> Well, um…
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I guess I couldn't believe I was there.
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For the most part it's all seemed extremely surreal.
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Doge was a made-up name…
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…made up two or three months before.
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And based on internet suggestions.
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I was going to call it the Government Efficiency Commission…
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Then someone online said: No, it should be the Department of Government Efficiency—DOGE.
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I'm like, “That sounds great.”
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So we just kind of made up a department.
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>> Do you think you were successful?
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>> We're a little a little bit successful.
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We were somewhat successful.
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We stopped a lot of funding that made no sense.
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Just entirely wasteful.
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For example…
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Probably 100–200 billion dollars of zombie payments per year.
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Which simply by enforcing payment codes…
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…those payments would not go out.
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We made that change to the main Treasury computer.
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Seems insanely obvious.
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There are just 2–3% of government payments that really shouldn't be going out.
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And it's actually quite hard to stop.
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It’s a pretty rare individual who asks the government to stop sending them money.
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>> Would you ever do Doge again?
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>> Um do you mean would I repeat history or…
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>> Two ways to think about it.
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One is if you could go back and start from scratch…
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like it's January 20th all again.
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you go back and do it differently? And
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knowing what you know now, do you think
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there's ever a place to restart
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you? Not saying others in yourstead, you
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go back and restart doing Doge.
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[sighs]
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>> I mean, no, I don't think so. Um, would
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I do I I think I probably
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I don't know. Um,
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>> would you do Doge again knowing what you
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know now?
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I mean the thing is like I think in
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instead of doing Doge I I would have
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basically built
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you know worked on my companies
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essentially. So and not and the cars
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would they wouldn't have been burning
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the cars. Um
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>> you gave up a lot to do. Uh yeah,
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like if you if you if you stop money
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going uh to
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uh
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going going for political corruption,
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they will they will lash out big time.
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>> Mhm.
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>> Um
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so they really want the money to keep
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flowing. Um,
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so if you stop it from flowing, there's
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like a very strong reaction to to
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stopping the money flowing.
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>> After you were in DC for a while, did
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you become disillusioned with how it
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operates?
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>> Well, I I wouldn't say I was super
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illusioned to begin with. Uh, it it I
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mean, I guess it's just like you really
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want the least amount done by government
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possible. The least amount
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I I I I guess maybe maybe like the the
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biggest thing is that I guess the
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biggest single thing is is that the
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there there are massive transfer
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payments going to um illegal immigrants
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um
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like massive essentially we're paying
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people to come here from somewhere else
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um in vast numbers including flying them
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in. So, like it's not like you need a
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border wall if you're flying them in.
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Um, then fasttracking them to
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citizenship and
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um making them beholden to to government
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payments um and uh
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and voting hard left. That's that's
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essentially it's like voter importation.
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If if if you if you create a gigantic
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money magnet to um you say if anyone
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comes here from anywhere else, we're
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going to pay you t tons of money, give
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you lots of free stuff. Um
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come come come to America and and get
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paid
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to do so. Um
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like you're going to get a lot of people
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taking up on that offer. Um and people
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say like this this this is fake. I'm
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like, uh, actually, well, let's look at,
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um, you know, Elon Omar, who was
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literally was voted into power, voted
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into Congress by, uh, you know, large
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group of people from Somalia, who are in
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Minnesota, which is really far from
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Somalia,
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or Mandani,
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who was voted as to be to be mayor.
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But if if but
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>> [clears throat]
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>> by a majority of people who are not um
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born in America.
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That's my understanding at least. Um so
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um and then then California say big time
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um situation.
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So
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uh I don't we just don't want to turn
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into a um
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you know communist hell hole basically.
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If you've said in the future that no
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one's going to need to worry about money
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or work because AI is going to take care
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of the rest, AI and robotics. What do
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you mean that people won't have to work
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in the future?
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>> Assuming the current trend of artificial
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intelligence and robotics continues,
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which seems likely, the um AI and robots
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will be able to do anything
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that that humans want to want them to do
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essentially. So hopefully not more than
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that, but
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AI and robotics will be able to
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provide us
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provide all the goods and services that
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anyone could possibly want. So
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>> but you wouldn't need to work
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like what would you do with your free
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time?
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>> People people will be able to do
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whatever they want with their free time.
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Um
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work will be optional.
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I I mean I just want to separate out
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from like what I wish would happen
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versus what I predict will happen
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because people get confused about that.
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They think that what I predict will
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happen is what I want it to happen.
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>> What I want what I predict to happen is
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not the same as what I want to happen.
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>> Um I if if I could I I would
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I would certainly slow down uh AI and
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robotics, but I I can't. It seems to be
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well
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it's it's it's advancing at a very rapid
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pace. Um whether I like it or not.
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>> Is AI what keeps you up at night?
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>> It used to be this point. I don't know.
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I I I wouldn't say there's there's
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nothing particularly keeping me up at
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night right now except that.
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But if you say what
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what where do I wake up in nightmares?
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Oh, AI. Yeah. Actually, [laughter]
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I've had a lot of AI nightmares. Uh I I
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I had AI nightmares many days in a row.
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>> What am I supposed to do about it?
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>> What's your biggest irrational fear?
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>> Um I I I try not to have irrational
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fears.
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>> None.
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>> If I find an irrational fear, I squelch
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it. I I I don't believe fear is fear is

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